Independence of the Venetian People or the State Lombardo-Veneto and the Veneto Regional Council ?

Anyone who proclaims independence should at least know how to respond to the basic question: independence of what ?

for example, There are Sardinian separatists.

Nobody asks what they are fighting for because the situation seems very clear: Sardinia is an island, and inside there are the Sardis, they fight for their independence.

This is a clear example of nationalism because if you look closer, things aren't actually that obvious even then.

For example, there is the problem that the Sardinian people cannot be identified in a single language, because in Sardinia they exist at least 5 linguistic communities, of which 4 historical (centuries-long presence).

In fact, in Sardinia are spoken 2 Sardinian language variants, an ancient one in the south and a more recent one in the center, and among them they are partially intelligible, even if it's their problem because I speak Venetian, italiano, French and English do not understand a butt in both cases.

In Sardinia though, the so-called northern Sardinian language is actually of Corsican-Genoese origin and even I, who am from the Veneto, understand it more or less, while Catalan is spoken in Alghero (but I find a community very threatened with extinction due to the lack of protection of the Italian state).

Furthermore, during the 1900s they arrived in Sardinia well 2 of Venetian waves, the first Carbon, and Venetian language still exists, while the second, more haggard, north of Alghero , it was made up of refugees from Istria and Dalmatia, whose Venetian idiom today seems to disappear as the people who suffered genocide.

But if we leave these differences, an island forces you to a common destiny, and it allows you to say that it is a unique Sardinian people with some linguists differences.

So what the Sardinian separatists want is clear enough: the independence of Sardinia which belongs to the Sardinians.

So you could say: a Sardinian state has already existed ? The answer is yes, but since then it became Piedmont-Sardinia, and then Italy, in practice they are asking for independence from their original state which has in the meantime transformed into a Moloch.

The Sardinians are therefore asking for recognition as a Sardinian people of the independence of a Sardinian state as large as Sardinia.

Su can? In international law, every people has the right to their status, but there is no definition “engineering” of the people, if there were, it would be the formula that would explain humanity and history itself.

Sardinian independence I ask for a Sardinian state, but they cannot pretend to return to a state that already existed, then ask for a new State Sardo.

Be careful, because here lies the whole problem of every pro-independence activist: independence of the people or independence of ex-state ?
For international law you can ask:
– A new state for a people, and then we speak of Self-Determination of Peoples which is partially regulated and envisaged
– the return to the sovereignty of a state already existed, And then we speak of self -government and the legal path is very defined
– Then there is the path of liberation of the peoples in war which declare themselves movement of liberation , but it is neither safe nor peaceful.

Because I said all this? To explain to the independence of Lombardy, Veneto and Friuli that our future is linked and unique.

Here because. We make the effort to imagine taking Sardinia and put it down to the Po Valley, with the north of Sardinia attached to Liguria. E’ a geographical monstrosity, but the big problem would become another: I am still “Sardinian people” those bordering Liguria because they speak a dialect of Ligurian ?

Suddenly what seemed clear and obvious is no longer. The Sardinian people would go to the messes because it would no longer have that territorial uniqueness that clearly defines its borders, and would be forced to cut out his definition on other criteria, as a language, History, existence of a state, etc. etc. .

At that point the Sardinians would perhaps even be tempted to value the existence of an original and aboriginal ethnic, because in that case it might come in handy to define their own existence.

Now let's look at the Venetian people and try to define it ( obviously after having replaced Sardinia in its place!).

I have already said many times that the Venetian people can be cut out on the map using 1 or more criteria: the language , history, the historical-aging events, the sociological criteria, also l’ archeology wanting ….. On genetic data we have no answers, maybe censor them, but in any case I believe that for the very history of the Venetians and for their non-racist mentality, they would have no ultimate value rather than returning to the culture.

If we take the language as a main criterion to define the “people Venetian”, Then we would have its presence in the territory that would go from the west of Garda, to the north of Mantua, It would include Trento and Veneto and all the high Adriatic including Trieste, but not Udine, and perhaps still some Adriatic islands. However, given that all the dialects of northern Italy also have descendants from the ancient Venetics language, It could define even the Po-Venetian people (!), but it would not be the Venetian people.

If the principal criteria for defining the “people Venetian” Let's take the common belonging (For centuries) to the Venetian Republic, Also looking to the next legal steps, Then the Venetian people also legally owner of the whole territory from Bergamo to Udine, then comprising the bergamaschi, the bresciani, the Venetian and Friulian, but would not include Trento and Trieste, nor the north of Mantua, and would be a people speaking different variants of Late or different languages (Friulian is a language). E’ A people as in the sense of the Sardinians, of the Swiss of many other peoples who have more languages.

Looking around, the Catalans asking for the birth of a new state ever existed, Based on Catalan language and culture, And they have a lot of difficulty because the right to create a new state is very very difficult if not impossible when you miss a legal history to oppose or an in progress persecution.

In fact, it does not exist in international law the law of absolute right of a people to become independent, must first obtain the international recognition that is granted only when everyone agrees e (in fact ) The people give their sovereignty to debt banks or oil companies. Sad but that's the way it is. And this also applies to liberation movements as the case of Libya demonstrate (recognized but still in war ) and Syria (not recognized).

If we leave the idea of ​​people in the modern sense, and we refer to the law, The Venetians are lucky, But we must carefully evaluate the idea of ​​requesting the Venetian Republic back, invaded in 1797.

The Scots are making this journey, they demand the return to the sovereignty of a former state, Scotland. Their story is back in time, Scotland joined England, and internationally would not have the right to return sovereign because only the attached states after the 1840 they have it (entry into force of the law of peoples of putting a word on the annexation). Fortunately of the Scotsmen, they had granted the right to detach themselves again from the central government. So if the Scots does not matter what's inside Scotland, the people correspond to the residents of the territory of the former state.

Here if as a main criterion to define the “people Venetian” take the common belonging to a state, we have well 2 choices:
The Venetian Republic and the Lombardy-Veneto.

The Venetian republic, however, was invaded before 1840 , He has no sovereign right to return if not ,as for Scotland, with the authorization of the current states.

If, on the other hand, we ask for the independence of Lombardy-Venetia, a state existed for 50 years, it can become sovereign again, and if we certainly do not place ourselves anymore or only in the wake of the speeches “ethnic”, but on those of the independence of states, we are in a path of independence (one of the states) much more consolidated than that of peoples' independence. On the other hand, the Venetian people from Bergamo to Udine are included there.

What to ask the Venetians referendum …….. a region that was to become? REALLY!!!!!

A region cannot become a state, nor will such a principle ever exist or be recognized, because it would jeopardize the existence of every state in the world. The case of Kosovo has risked creating this precedent, and was immediately blocked, proving that the stability of the world is at stake. Kosovo does not even exist as a state for the’ UN that defines a territory of Serbia under international interim government.

The Venetian politicians who proposed the referendum in the region are destined for rubbish, because they have proposed a path that does not exist internationally, which is not a path of the people nor a path of the state.

In fact, the consultative referendum on the independence of the Veneto is neither the referendum of the Veneto people, nor the referendum for the return to a former state, but the referendum of an Italian region that does not differ in some way for ethnic uniqueness (Venetians are elsewhere ) nor for legal uniqueness (the region as it is today never existed as a state).

If you want to make the referendum of the Venetian People of linguistic or legal basis, you do it, but the regional one for referendums of the people does not. Certainly the International Court will not fall.

Some wise guy might propose a referendum for the return to the Serenissima, to be held, however, in all the territories of the Serenissima with the consent of Croatia, Albania and Greece.

Therefore the restoration of the Serenissima Republic is not possible, because at the time of the fall the peoples were not entitled.

The restoration of Lombardo-Veneto ? This is possible and legally very plausible, and it does not endanger any established legal principle internationally.

Rather, if the community of states did not recognize the sovereignty of Lombardy-Venetia, would deny the human rights of peoples and individuals, and not only, they would deny international legislation on the right to territorial integrity of states ….. So break out a third world war and there would be massive bloodshed in the world.

Then the separatists wonder : you know what to fight for ? A people a state or for a chair in the regional council ?