Una verità scomoda: abuse investigators
The so-called Queen Bee, Sabina Began, ha dichiarato a Sky che già anni fa la guardia di finanza la cercò per raccogliere la sua testimonianza. They asked her if Berlusconi paid the prostitutes, se c’erano rapporti sessuali a pagamento ecc. Lei negò tutto, systematically, but insistently the investigators wanted you to declare that Berlusconi paid the prostitutes. But nothing, la Began continuò a negare, until it is reduced to tears. Eventually they presented her with a sheet to sign, in which you declared that Berlusconi paid the prostitutes, but she had the readiness to refuse.
Io credo alla Began per il fatto che questo stesso trattamento l’ho ricevuto personalmente a Padova quando nel 2002 I was beaten by the Carabinieri, and then 3 hours of kidnapping without a lawyer, I was also asked to sign a document in which I claimed to have violently beaten them, cioé mi auto-denunciavo. A trial never took place thanks to certain judges from Padua.
E’ a barbarism that in Italy you can have an investigator who tries to force a witness to false testimony, come successe nel caso della studentessa uccisa all’Università di Roma .
E’ una barbaria che è possibile perché il testimone non ha il diritto di farsi accompagnare da un avvocato o da qualcuno. There is no simple rule that allows it.
Comunque mai firmare alcunché quando si ha a che fare con gli inquirenti: you never know what they vote for.
Comunque il dubbio lecito c’è, e non è saggio dare per scontato la colpevolezza di chichessia e la fondatezza delle inchieste.
By now the judiciary has lost, not entirely wrong, credibility.
Siamo ormai alla dissoluzione dell’Impero.
institute
24 January 2011 @ 17:04
Of course what one does at home is his business, but always insofar as it does not break the laws.
If he is truly convinced that he is right, si presenti al magistrato e sputtani l’inquirente che lo accusa, if he has balls.
Loris Palmerini
23 January 2011 @ 19:40
test
loris
23 January 2011 @ 18:44
The Genoa prosecutor's complaint
“G8, the violent policemen rescued from a read”
The Prosecutor Zucca: “The state prevents damages from being paid”. “They will no longer be called upon to compensate victims of abuse”.
http://www.repubblica.it/cronaca/2011/01/23/news/g8_leggina-11549899/?ref=HRER2-1
franco
22 January 2011 @ 16:14
Well actually what a person does,whatever it is,behind the walls of one's own house are his affairs.
Stubbornness and envy,Bocassini dreams of the knight at night,as well as other magistrates.
Let's think about the real problems………..
Matteo Cornelius Sullivan
22 January 2011 @ 12:43
we had SS in Italy for three years, some magistrates and policemen are seen to believe that they are doing school.
Matteo Cornelius Sullivan
Regent of the Party of Monarchist Alternative
maria
22 January 2011 @ 11:08
That facts such as those reported by Palmerini can occur, I have no elements to deny or confirm, ma se si volesse far passare Berlusconi per una vittima c’è ne passa..La boccassini mi risulta essere una persona seria prima di essere un magistrato preparato e competente e non credo che si metta in condizione di essere smentita. alcune persone più che ai soldi tengono alla dignità .
monica
22 January 2011 @ 09:39
I believe it can happen, but I don't think Berlusconi is innocent! I still believe in law enforcement and justice as such despite our dear PREMIER doing everything to delegitimize it!!!
if it is really innocwente, go get tried and prove you are, the continuous avoidance of the processes can only make it clear that he is afraid of them…because conscious of guilt!
and with that I said everything!
max
21 January 2011 @ 22:36
dear loris what are you an inflicted in the republic ? that the police and the carabinieri force testimony is a known fact. that the boccassini when he does it does at high professional levels and because there are crimes this is also known. ilda has not only worked against silvio but also against the mafia and therefore I would say again against silvio. infine se di intercettazioni si parla queste non saranno soltanto scritte ma si udirà anche la voce. so I wonder why from well over twenty cell phones hear from as many girls do the usual speeches about silvio berlusconi, they all had a vulgar script to be enunciated by telephone ? non dimentichiamo poi che anche al g8 di genova ci furono forzature per far dire ai ragazzi quello che non dovevano dire ma a lungo andare e anche ai processi una parte della verità è venuta fuori soprattutto perche’ there have been processes. possiamo anche ricordare che mafiosi in questi giorni del caso ruby hanno detto e fatto riferimento anche loro a silvio berlusconi in un processo che per via dello scandalo in questione sta passando sotto tono ma che personalmente trovo di maggiore drammaticità ed anche a questo processo silvio non dira’ a word will change’ leggi e speriamo che prima o poi racconti la sua verità . per verità intendo qualcosa di riscontrabile non pubblicità in tv.
loris
22 January 2011 @ 01:59
I have nothing to do with Repubblica newspaper, much less with the Republic was seen what I wrote on the frauds of the 1866 he was born in 1946!
About the matter, se è vero che la verità può emergere anche dalle intercettazioni, but these are not thick for illustrious strangers. So it must be ensured that there can be no abuse of the investigators for the most defenseless people.
MAH
22 January 2011 @ 08:40
… and then, Silvio would be “defenseless people” …
loris
23 January 2011 @ 17:12
I'll explain: someone like Berlusconi has all the defense tools including media, but ordinary citizens, the defenseless, the abuses of the investigators pay them dearly. Forced testimony cannot be accepted. E per definizione lo sono se lo dichiara l’interessato, like Began, because LAWYERS CAN'T BRING ADVOCATES AND WITNESSES TO PREVENT ABUSE.
and then, my doubt remains intact, we can't decide anything . You want to pass me off as a Berlusconi pro-innocent, but that's not really the question.
At best we can say, as Graziano does, that “er più pulito cià la rogna”. If you insist on giving someone reason, based on the elements that we don't really know, you do it only for party taken.
stefano
22 January 2011 @ 12:29
you know what you love hit of your comment max?talking about the G8, sicuramente se ci sono stati abusi da parte delle forze dell’ordine è giusto che paghino ma qualcuno a distanza di anni mi deve ancora spiegare come si fa a difendere Carlo Giuliani, who with a fire extinguisher tried to break a glass of a truck to do what is not known, yet some sectors of our politics have taken it as a symbol of a certain protest, Except to crack whoever fired, and this seems strange to me. E’ stata devastata una città , but this is not important, it is the right to protest. The same thing happened in Rome a few days ago, con una città a ferro e fuoco, but this too is a right to protest and those who did all this were not poor students but infiltrators, but coincidentally.
You were my car broke down and since Thursday I went under Berlusconi's house in Rome, it must surely be his fault. Now, it's a joke, but simply to say that in my opinion,that Berlusconi is not clean is possible, but that about a thousand magisrati in Italy in the last 17 years we have not been able to condemn him for nothing seems to me a particular case. Avrà pure dei bravi avvocati ma se ci fosse un inmpianto accusatorio serio ci sarebbe poco da fare. If then, senza una denuncia vera è possibile intercettare tutto quello che succede a casa i una delle cariche più alte dello Stato e di chi la frequenta ho l’impressione che la migistratura stia un pò esagerando e che stia effettuando la pesca a strascico, which doesn't exactly seem like a good thing.
Lastly, it seems to me that from Ciamcimino junior to other repentant gossipers I am a myth but in practice they are a gas, evaporan.
then, never gave you Berlusconi is clean, but neither is absolute evil. Maybe a certain judiciary, and capital attention, per rispetto che si deve comunque all’organo di giustizia, could change goal. Maybe looking for why the trans of the Marrazzo case is dead, or perhaps looking at the photos of Prodi's spokesman going to trans, perhaps advising Vendola what kind of rimmel to put on or what earring with diamonds to wear or Pegoraro Scanio some place for couples “imaginative” in cui giocare con l’asso di bastoni ecc……etc……….
It is not with easy moralism that problems are solved or the country conquered, but with ideas, initiatives and laws.
Berlusconi's accusers begin, Bersani in the head to find a person who with the same charisma beats Berlusconi and then we can talk about it. This way it gets stronger and stronger, you don't fight
ivan
21 January 2011 @ 22:10
but even if it were true that he goes with prostitutes but it will be his affairs I am interested in what is being done in parliament but today it seems a secondary thing
graziano
21 January 2011 @ 21:44
It seems crazy to me, MA, unfortunately credible…And to think that they are the representatives of “Justice”….most’ clean we have mange!!!