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  1. mario cue
    19 May 2013 @ 10:19

    Dear Loris,I share your analysis and mention a wise proverb that says :a tree does not fall with one shot,even if as we know, the last one to drop it,courage and patience and praise to those who contribute to demolish this caste ,now shameful and outlawed for many years,we start with honest people ,We will certainly be on the work of the work,I also want to thank you for the commitment that you have been putting in favor of our rights for years ,Thank you and best of luck

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  2. Luigi
    23 February 2013 @ 13:58

    Speaking of Italy… free and democratic that its citizens, I ask:
    E’ It ascertained that really want it united and indivisible was the Italian people, if not’ NEVER NEVER BEEN NATO and then ..? Obviously if one does not arise he has no sovereign.

    How many have labored to make it and make it indivisible ..? And why’ indivisible if the people and’ King said ..?

    In those who died for the cravings of others ..?

    The’ surest, if you attend the schools of the tricolor, TO DO THE ITALIANS, cabbage that we go out… At least, I say, get closer to the truth’ since we can not have it.

    There is talk of independence; macro region; of autonomy; self-determination; of secession; of Padania; a lot of things that do not lead to CONCLUSION.

    Why’ all this CONFUSION ..?

    Sara’ Why’ We robbed us of all we are genuine confusion ..?

    If everyone was Italian there would be the problem of esternarlo every second minute and every hour of every day and the years ..???

    If I have a carboy and there we put prosecco… if the change from carboy bottles… changes something by accident ..?
    is but’ I vinegar… will pass’ RABOSO to change if the container ..?

    So’ They made us existing peoples before the state Italy.

    Multi -commemorations would be needed and of this and the other event to cheat us and to make us feel good and silent ..??

    Dear ever sovereign states and least sapiens (even if it goes to the moon) I learn to read the facts or succumb ..!

    A LB states in this regard:
    we learn to read the facts not to succumb.
    Not to be right.
    But only not to succumb.

    Amen

    PS:
    Grillo or those who will not be able to make Italy and the Italians for him ..!
    Unless a great MIRACLE ..!

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  3. Chicco
    23 February 2013 @ 07:25

    I agree on everything and all the comments…………however, if at least we could eliminate some bureaucracy and then delete the power to those feeding and manages this creating all those negative phenomena (corruption, mafia, privileges to the usual “known” and so forth) Perhaps our lives, with a little more justice could really change.

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  4. Miclos
    22 February 2013 @ 18:42

    I appreciate your fine article, but I do some considerations:
    1) Grillo is a leading sui generis, he has always publicly stated a spokesperson, do not go to Parliament but there will be simple citizens, some of which have high professional competence, others will soon learn how the parliamentary mechanisms
    2) In your article there is no mention of the idea of ​​New Europoa of the peoples preconated by Grillo in place of the European financiers and lobbies
    3) Grillo is wrong when he says that all parties are composed of corrupt bureaucrats and without any popular support. Even in traditional parties there is a minority of honest ( Almost totality in the radical party, that despite being a small party it has strong roots in the liberal and libertarian andOld of this country), and squares still fill in the elections of charismatic leaders of political parties and big unions
    4) I disagree with your statement on public employees. If it is true that there are sectors with excess staff, it is equally true that shortage of nurses in many hospitals, the social workers in many municipalities, the financiers to make a carpet checks on tax evaders, teachers for substitutes, etc.. The problem is the maldistribution, not the number of civil servants
    5) if it is true that there are many fake invalids is equally true that the real ones acompagnamento the checks were cut, subsidies for families, so much so that they have more times manifested to claim their sacred rights to the assistance of their disabled or totally disabled relatives
    6) nobody talks, even Grillo, the shame of the fees received by certain TV characters, by players, by presenters and so on. E’ simply disgraceful that a coduttore Sanremo perceive 600.000 euro for four nights, which it is made possible by the fact that millions of viewers are glued to the television to follow the festival
    7) Nobody talks about advertising . E’ a big businnes, affects all media, public and private, pollutes the minds of viewers; On the other hand, the increase in turnover for companies advertised by networks in Italy does not exceed 2%. Furthermore, not everyone knows that companies can deduct the 100% of advertising expenses pursuant to art. 108 the Income Tax Code; it does not take Einstein to figure out who ultimately pays for the advertising and the media.
    I apologize for the length of this comment, but I could not be more synthetic than that.

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  5. Carlo De Paoli
    22 February 2013 @ 18:20

    I liked the examination of the current situation of Italy and I agree with Loris about the fact that this country has now arrived at the terminus.
    From newspapers today we learn that the “house” Agnelli is under the magnifying glass of the Guardia di Finanza “suppository” tax evasion.
    The Agnelli represented, in this republican regime, the monarchy in Italy.
    For decades the lawyer succeeded, He is having on its payroll whole Parliament, not to pay, for extended periods, even salaries to its employees: (layoffs).
    His company, every year, He declared balanced budgets except in loss, so he does not even paying taxes.
    Now we learn that the members of his family are held, in the Italian courts, the heredity that John scattered, in the form of liquid capital, (billion €, Naturally), in banks of countries of “remittances” millionaires live.
    John can not testify against her “employees”: those of the parliament who took more money from him of those who always paid the lawyer to his other employees: those on the assembly line.
    This shows, in my opinion, che i “Patti” between Caste and the Head of the Company, the lack of John, -direct witness- They have no value.
    The ancients “served” They are not felt more bound to the commitment taken with the poultry: “Who had had those data gave”.
    And if Agnelli … What can expect all the other entrepreneurs who have “Patti” analogues with the parties?
    Unless …. are not BANKS!

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  6. Luigi
    22 February 2013 @ 18:12

    Allow me to take action on the comments of Ubaldo Cross,
    I agree with Loris when he says that Italy e’ over, perhaps not’ mai nata, But I disagree with the speech made by Ubaldo.
    Venetian We do not want to be Italian. They were forced to be.
    then, talk about freedom’ Referring the mistake of great children of good woman of 150 years ago it is very irritating.
    Obviously with respect to the idea of ​​others, but will not serve other mica 150 years' Italy united to say that ‘ IMPOSSIBLE stand united and that goes remade, attempted, the speech to be INDEPENDENT ..??
    So you can avail’ mention being and FREE DEMOCRATS.

    I don't really like the idea of ​​redoing Italy. It sucks ow and after ..??

    With the same Italian What ever sortira’ if not the same sucks ..??

    Forgive me if I'm so’ a bit’ the sarcastic… I just hope no one be offended for my ideas PEACEFUL.

    I declare myself a pacifist always so.

    But', We cannot always take them with the idea of ​​redoing the groom called Italy.

    Greetings

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  7. Ubaldo Cross
    22 February 2013 @ 11:59

    Dear Loris,
    I fully agree with what you might be otherwise scritto.Perfetto.Non. You terms the article with too much pessimism. You say that Italy is over.. This Italy is over. But if we want to ( you really want)We could re -establish another Italy,truly free,DEMOCRATIC and SOVRANA. As long as you want it all. So a healthy hope is there. But everything depends on us and our situational awareness.

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  8. santo
    22 February 2013 @ 11:38

    Maybe Grillo is a dreamer of unattainable utopias but I voted for him and with pleasure and determination because he had the strength and courage to awaken there that was already present and not manifest in the soul of so many people. There is no those who replace it ? But it doesn't matter why this movement/community as he called it does not need to replace but a network of skills already’ Present in the movement that will be the bones of this new strength that increasing skills by anyone from abroad, propose new ideas to the well -being of peoples. No coincidence that a British broadcaster who interviewed him recently, made it clear that it would be desirable to have them available in Provider England. In the ultimately I believe that what is being verified in Italy replicates /spreading also in other European countries and embodies a real renewal for a Europe more of the peoples who have governed and forced to travel through narrow paths for the most and motorways for a few for a few.

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  9. Danilo
    22 February 2013 @ 10:17

    Dear Palmerini, I really liked his analysis that I share almost everything, Also his criticism of Beppe Grillo program.
    Of course, many Italians will find themselves walking on a wall where on the one hand there are lions and disguised lambs and on the other hand the darkness with some flashes of light, so that where we will jump between the lions and lambs or in the dark with only the courage given by hope on renewal? I never reasoned with the fear of the future and I go where I see the enthusiasm, certainly I will not forget to take the stack!

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  10. Giorgio
    22 February 2013 @ 07:32

    Compared to the anthropocracy, Grillo are bazzecole.

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