it is not’ MORE’ SURE THAT THE LOMBARDO-VENETO ARE ITALIAN !!!
it is not’ MORE’ SURE THAT THE LOMBARDO-VENETO ARE ITALIAN !!! An epochal sentence for the independence of the Venetians was made by the Court of Venice on 20 February 2008 . Will be published in days. The reading was public and in the presence of about 15 Veneto present.
In summary, If in doubt, the consequence is that legally
Taxes can be paid to the self -government of the Veneto people instead of paying them to the Italian state.
The words used by the judge obviously these are not, but so are the effects. Let's see why.
The procedure in front of the Italian judge was started by the Association “Life Treviso” in 2006.
LIFE asked to ensure that the Lombardo-Veneto in one piece (including all the Veneto region from Bergamo to Udine in addition to Mantova) It is not the Italian territory, since the transfer of the territory of the 1866 It was not lawful, that is, legally disabled. Moreover, Life holds, from the 1999 The authorities and unique legal in the Lombardy-Veneto area are those of “Self-Government of the Venetian People” founded in 1999 Luciano Franceschi, Loris Palmerini and Giuseppe Segato (who died in 2006).
In fact, the judiciary of Padua already, in investigating 2002 on the democratic elections carried out for the self -government of the Venetian people, he had not had anything to say, Especially since the right of self -government of the Venetian people is explicitly affected by a constitutional law,So this idea was already implicit in that fact
They are also about 3 years that LIFE has a territory of “Self-Government of the Venetian People” in which access to the police was prevented, a kind of Campanile of San Marco from 3 years, or a small state .
As evidence of the claim ITALIAN-NOT’ Lombard-Venetian territory, in 2007 the Life of deposit book “The Republic unborn” written by me as well as explaining the VOID’ the sale of 1866 , also explains the VOID’ the monarchy-republic referendum 1946.
In addition to the book, a document of 17 pages explaining all the legal rights of the people of Veneto, according to international law and even Italian, in addition to the facts that made them effective (self -determination already started).
If the legal requirements for the claimed sovereignty had missed, the judge would obviously responded missing something by denying the right.
But APPEARS TO BE ALL, deny the right would have exposed him to the International Criminal persecution as an international crime .
Therefore the judge ruled that he himself does not have “jurisdiction”, namely that he could not judge , And he cannot do it neither he nor another Italian judge (It is not a question of “competence” by subject or territory).
but yet, The code prescribes that if whoever asked for the judgment is on Italian soil, and the cause focuses on something that happened there, the judge has the “jurisdiction”.
But if tomorrow it occurs NOT’ Italian territory ?
Also no answer still would have started the international process.
The judge did like Pilate, but without sending to the cross neither Jesus nor Barabba. The international judge will decide.
therefore, If the Lombard territory -Veneto is not or may not be “italiano”, here it is that the judge rightly must refrain from judgment.
With this ruling in hand, Each Veneto in Lombardo-Veneto can pay taxes to the self-government of the Venetian people/state of the Venetias by invoking the situation of uncertainty now determined.
But it is only procedural uncertainty because it is well sure that the Venetian people are already legally independent.
in conclusion, yesterday successes 3 original phenomena in Venice
Not only an exceptional low tide and a moon eclipse.
Even a landmark judgment .
Unfortunately, on the same day Italy is preparing to deny violating the UN treaties by recognizing independence to a state that the UN secretary himself said is not to be recognized.
I am attaching the comment of the lawyer of the moon on the sentence
Important step forward on the way of independence
THE 20.02.08 the Court of VenezA, in open court, he pronounced on the cause promoted by Life with the Avv. Marco Della Luna against the or Italian state for the declaration of nullity of the annexation of the Venezie to the Kingdom of Sardinia, occurred with the false plebiscite of 1866.
The judge has formally declared that the Italian judiciary has no power to decide on claims made by Life, and take consequent measures.
Thanks to this decision, Life has got, by the Italian State, The confession that the said State cannot and does not want to implement nor respect international law nor internal law in this subjects, nor do you ascertain the historical truth.
This confession of impotence now allows Life to turn to International Justice and UN bodies to claim compliance with the treaties.
L.Marco
14 May 2009 @ 00:17
Sorry Loris, but if instead I wanted to continue to be Italian? What could happen if you were creating factions, that is, those who want annexation and who does not, or if a civil war broke out within the Veneto area? Remember that people do not want absolutely to secede, at least a majority of voters, and all of all it is against the Italian political situation and the robberies, but does not want any separation. Rather, in my opinion we should fight to get back the territories that the countries of the former Yugoslavia have swiped.
I
29 May 2010 @ 19:45
Who tells you that the majority of the Venetians do not want independence? The fact that the league take many votes in Veneto is its clear demonstration ( even if the league makes the exact opposite of what is saying, since it is a trick of oligarco-mafia system Italiot to confuse the Venetians ).
chat
20 September 2008 @ 18:01
Congratulations for your site, full of interesting ideas. Keep it up.
giancarlo
14 July 2008 @ 14:18
Later Life (or self-rule of the Venetian people)pay taxes? If so who? It is not, I wonder if they feel unwell, have a primary care physician? They pay the medicines? Make use of the first aid? The car tax they pay? The fees on waste? Here (now abolished)? I mean, They want to be an enclave that survives to itself, or contribute cmq like all citizens of this tattered country,to run a little’ of things? Maybe fervor on the real problems of the people (wage,pensions,high prices,backgrounds,nursing homes…) instead of bringing out 'ste old stories, fascinating as long as you want, but just old, stantie, moldy that no one can care less especially when you have in your pocket the money to reach the third week of the month…
Loris Palmerini
28 May 2008 @ 11:26
Marco,
The Treaty of 1866 It provided for the sale of all the Lombard-Venetian. Although it was militarily occupied
from the 1860 This does not matter because they saw the contractors had agreed to do the assignment but only with the approval of the Institute of the territory's population. Read the Treaty . http://cronologia. leonardo. it/storia/ a1866e.htm
Obviously many falsitates turn on this question of the vote . Even on Wikipedia we know it is not the truth , but one of the sources.
In particular, the statement is false “the Venetians were not called to speak to replenish the Venetian Republic, but simply to indicate whether
be annexed to Italy or whether to continue to stay under Austria” . E’ false, because they had to decide whether to stay independent or annex
to Italy. The hypothesis of an independent state had been taken into consideration, and on the other hand, the Republic was already restored with the Treaty of Vienna.
Those interested in studying the question reads the appeal in Venice in which the judge did not respond stating the ABSOLUTE DEFECT
OF GIURSIDZIONE, not to be confused with the absence of material jurisdiction or territory.
We have already legal right to self -government, because the law and the judge can not answer.
Although censorship Mafia all, It does not mean that this did NOT THERE.
It is not a utopia independent return, Poland also had independence back later 140 years.
Consider that we have parties that words speak of independence and in practice they do the opposite.
It seems impossible yet, as he told me that the river vecio:
“I know a foreigner in my house, go need for the interpreter always drio. But, hip if Semo were few, vinçeremo”
the sentence
http://www.palmerin i.net/blog/ ?p=201
Marco
28 May 2008 @ 09:12
loris, To avoid being accused of Farneticazioni, he leaves the Lombard provinces of Bergamo and Brescia out because these were occupied by the Savoy with the so -called Second War of Independence fought by the French of Napoleon III for their account in the 1859. Another thing is the province of Mantova that actually went to referendum in 1866.
thanks and congratulations
alessandro
11 March 2008 @ 23:23
E’ must become aware that the Venetians ,the moment and’ .The favorable recognition of Kosovo by the occupation state can Italiot’ be exploited by Veneto to proclaim independence and ask for recognition . lll
Ernesto
28 February 2008 @ 12:28
Mr. Palmerini when he writes in Italian should be sure to use the correct accents on the letter and accented.
Both display of legal-historical culture clashes with the approximate knowledge of the language.
It might have been appropriate for Mr.. Palmerini write directly in the Venetian language.
Tooth
24 February 2008 @ 09:04
Salve, this is certainly not comparable to the case of Kosovo for God!
We use a bit of reasoning, before we talk about these issues just read the two Vienna Conventions carefully (1978-1983) on succession. International law does not provide for cases of awards such as the Kosovo, let alone of the two regions.
P. Sogaro
21 February 2008 @ 21:31
This fact seems to begin scenarios of almost political fiction. (in the positive term).
I wonder: If the international justice bodies or the UN confirmed that the Lombard Veneto is illegally located under the Italian sovereignty, that possibility could be opened, theoretically and practically?