The Venetians are not’ socialists, BORN’ liberals, and they certainly don't like anarchy.
From the site the movement libertarian Leonardo Facco makes some considerations on independence, and as it has done he is angry with the League (per altro in passato ha dimostrato che il simbolo della Lega era proprietà di Silvio Berlusconi), but involuntarily highlights that libertarian thinking has nothing to do with Venetian independence. What it gives me the opportunity for a cultural analysis of the matter, hoping that do not pass from the cultural discussion to the insult of some of his followers.
Scrive Facco “Un indipendentista è consapevole che “il governo non è la soluzione, è il problema” e che – come sosteneva Sheldon Richman – “l’imprenditore non può comprare favori da un burocrate che non ha favori da vendere”. Un indipendentista – insomma – serve a nulla (anzi finirà col fare danni, as the latest show 4 luster of leagues) se la sua preoccupazione è di partecipare alle elezioni per amministrare un Comune o una Regione per aggiustare tombini o per elargire prebende arbitrariamente. Also in view of the next 25 May, the other way around, we will see the usual promises, di cui evito l’elenco perché sarebbe troppo lungo.” Ancora aggiunge “Un movimento indipendentista se proprio puntasse ad essere credibile, eviterebbe di sbrodolare programmi articolatissimi finalizzati al fantomatico “bene comune” della sua città o della sua regione. In his program he would have only one point: dichiarare unilateralmente l’indipendenza dell’ente in cui è candidato, with consequences (even not pleasant) attached and connected. Tutto il resto è solo italian-style. Meglio i Liberi Comuni d’Italia.”
Now I don't want to discuss the specifics of the League, ma sui fondamenti del pensiero libertario così ben rappresentato da Facco. Infatti i “libertari” sono una corrente culturale , if you want a philosophy and a political ideology, which challenges the state, in general and a priori, with the idea that any government is harmful, Anyway. For the libertarian, the government must stay out of any private affair, from private life, it must not give rules, non deve “essere” in generale.
I've always wondered where a situation leads where no one has to rule.
Comunque a questo pensiero libertario è affine la cultura “liberista” , the one that says the state must stay out of any market regulation, it must not impose rules. Thought miserably failed in a demonstrated way precisely with this crisis of 2007-2009, dove la mancanza di controlli sulle banche da parte dei governi ha dimostrato che il risultato finale sono truffe a go-go e la necessità per lo Stato (cioé i cittadini) to pay huge sums to clear the bank hole to avoid market collapse. One could object that the government knew, ed allora occorre dire che è stato il governo “liberista” a non regolamentare come del caso. In realtà le leggi c’erano, and maybe the government also knew, but we have to decide whether we discuss principles or practice. Partiamo quindi dal presupposto che il principio di “regolare” quanto necessario è buono, la pratica non lo è stata e va migliorata ed integrata con qualche ulteriore legge stronca corruzione. Ma non avere “legge” è invece “cattivo” per gli esiti finali.
Anyway, in virtù del liberismo e della assenza di controlli libertaria, ci si è trovati nel crollo delle banche, e per evitare il “crollo del mercato” si sono fatte chiudere le aziende, bankrupt industries, laid off employees, causing and spreading misery, despair, disease and suicide. in conclusion, per salvare le banche al fine di evitare danni al “mercato” si è in effetti distrutto il mercato stesso e anche la società intera. I say it certainly cost me to nationalize failed banks, and we would probably still have an intact market. Liberal theory does not work. Closed.
Said this, going back to libertarians, basic thinking tends to lack of government, but in practice it tends towards anarchy, the challenge of any form of organized structure that declares itself government. And in this sense I never understood what the libertarians among the Venetian independence activists were doing and what they are doing.
I veneti che in maniera più o meno decisa invocano un ritorno alla Repubblica Veneta, unlike libertarians, they invoke a republic that was anything but libertarian. Si può perfino affermare che agli occhi di un veneto che conosca la sua storia i dualismi come liberismo-socialismo, libertà-stato, individual-social status, they just don't make sense to look at the Venetian republic. Having said that, it must be said that many of the Venetian independence activists do not even know what they are talking about.
Speaking seriously documented of the Venetian Republic, di sicuro essa è stata la prima a nazionalizzare i traffici usando le Galee (warships of the state also used for merchant trade), che organizzava in spedizioni di molte navi scortate dette “muda”, ma non era una questione “statale” perché chiunque poteva parteciparvi di persona con propria merce o tramite armatore in “condominio” , but it wasn't even a postal service, perché chi spediva si assumeva dei rischi e dei costi in proporzione, it was rather an investment in funds. La Repubblica in seguito garantì queste spedizioni anche contro i rischi accidentali come naufragi e pirateria, inventing after the service of muda and that of condominium, also the insurance service. Rather, disciplinò tutta la filiera che stava dietro l’attività di commercio navale, from wood production (with the forestry of Cansiglio and Asiago), ai maestri d’ascia con le “Scole” (which were not just training institutions, but real unions with mutual and pension, supervised by magistrates), to the industrial production of ships in the State Arsenal, pensions for the disabled and shipwrecked, the management of the port with career officers and / or noblemen commanded for short periods of surveillance, to market information service, alla creazione di colonie commerciali ….. All of this on one hand worked perfectly in all aspects of administration, dall’altra lasciava agli individui quanto più libertà era possibile, and it gave him a sense of belonging according to the job, but it required strict controls. Per altro Venezia era fra gli stati più interventisti per difendere tutto ciò, but for the purpose not to enrich this or that multinational that also existed in law, but to pour the benefits of the whole apparatus onto the republic and citizens. So on the one hand he first imposed a monopoly on trade, salt species, but then it was the first to destroy it with the invention of the Antitrust Authority in 1300 perché nuovi livelli di benessere potevano venire dal rompere un commercio ormai troppo consolidato. In short, everything converged towards the fight against parasitism, monopolies, to the gangs, and the conflict of interest, e il risultato è stato non solo il Rinascimento Veneto, but the flowering of the arts, della cultura e della modernità in tutta l’Europa.
These values ​​are still very strong among today's Venetians. Venetians don't like disorder, I am ready to bet that rather than anarchy they prefer Fascism or Communism or FascioComunismo, ma in realtà odiano tutte queste forme e vorrebbero libertà individuale ma pure socialità per i bisognosi (not for pests) well married as did the republic. It is no coincidence that the Venetians are still today great workers and producers, but also great volunteer activists, as well as great inventors. But they don't like waste and cliques, tanto che la mafia attacca solo perché c’è lo stato italiano, non perché il veneto sia di cultura mafiosa. Poi c’è sempre in tutto la mela marcia, these are percentage differences between people and people. We can safely see that in today's Venetian people, ancorché sia andato italianizzandosi e ormai sia ridotto ad una minoranza della popolazione residente nelle Venezie, the values ​​of the Venetian Republic are still strong. E’ the Republic is dead, not the values ​​he had. Detto questo possiamo tranquillamente affermare che quasi tutti quelli che si dichiarano oggi rappresentanti della “Repubblica Veneta” non hanno in molti casi né la conoscenza né i requisiti minimi di credibilità per poter essere reppresentanti del popolo veneto, that, I repeat, he does not like the gangs and the cliques the shrewd, but neither do they vote for these senseless arrivals.
Cosa ha a che vedere tutto ciò con l’idea libertaria ? I would say nothing.
Nella frase libertaria ripetuta da Leonardo Facco “il governo non è la soluzione, è il problema” troviamo violati questi valori veneti , i veneti non pensano che il problema sia il “governo” , but this form of government, the Italian one, that of the mafias, of corruption, of parties (the Venetian republic did not have parties).
In most Venetians do not feel like this system, and they started to realize recently that this system, il sistema “democratico” italiano, non andrà mai bene per loro, perché a questo sistema di corruzione e di falsità non sanno e non vogliono giocare.
Temo insomma che Facco usi la parola “indipendentista” nel senso libertario della parola, while the Venetians are independentists in the national sense of the term, they want a different government than they have today, vogliono un governo molto più simile a quello della Repubblica Veneta. Per inciso, the Venetian Republic was very careful to give space to the talents coming from the people, they also reached the highest levels of administrative power, the talents were not wasted, but at the same time the Republic helped those who could not do it, including the poor and among them, the poor nobles.
Theme, I am convinced, che i libertari abbiano un concetto di “indipendentista” che è un concetto individualista, not ordered in a system, while the Venetians think of a principle of order of reality, e certamente non amano l’anarchia nella quale per altro già si trovano a vivere.
spago
13 May 2014 @ 08:51
I still don't understand how to write in good faith that the current crisis proves the failure of liberalism.. sorry eh.. maybe liberalism will suck, but to prove it, we need coherent examples.. he is sure he knows what it is first? we have not lived in a liberal period, there is no liberalism, indeed there is its opposite: there are central banks, the manipulation of money, the states, bureaucracies, the cup, regulations at every level, the state that intervenes in the economy, i salvatggi, subsidies, etc.. and this also applies to America, the country from which the crisis started.. and if you read the serious reconstructions of this crisis, also made by those who have nothing to do with libertarian thought, from Zingales to Seminerio e.g.. it will find the role of the American state and politics. So how can we say that the statism we live in proves that the absence of a state is harmful? how can you take the “market” current – especially the banking sector where central banks exist, control of money, fractional reserve, one thousand thousand regulations, political pressure to do this or that, from lending to buying public debt – as an example of a free market in a libertarian sense? it is a market as it were, it is an apparent market, since it lives in the residual space left to it and is deformed in every way by public intervention. Left to itself in a libertarian sense, maybe it would break down for charity , but surely it would completely change shape. How many large companies live on political favors, of monopolies guaranteed by politics, of subsidies or incentives, of ad hoc measures and how many are killed by excess taxation? among them there are all those cases where the government takes over and clears the debts or where it is in charge of putting together consortiums of entrepreneurs-healers guaranteeing them special conditions.. in short, there are precisely those bailouts of banks and financial companies that have made people indignant during this crisis. Libertarians are even against any form of taxation.. so how do you bring in good faith the example of citizens forced to pay huge sums to fill holes? or she did not understand or seems to me in bad faith. How can liberal government speak of these things which are the opposite of liberalism? God.